Game 137 Open Thread: September 4, 2005
i noted yesterday that the astros seem to have jason is'hausen's number. they do not have chris carpenter's. over the last two years carp is 4-1 against them with a 1.37 era; he's held the 'stros to a .201 batting average over that span. he's been particularly hard on the astros at minute-maid park, where he's 3-0 against them with a 0.84 era and a .206 average against. in the course of extracting that data i found this boxscore from last season -- a third carpenter-clemens duel, every bit as compelling as this year's two showdowns.
did last night's game settle the cy young issue? as much as the nation's sportswriters worship clemens, their bias must have its limits. carp now has pert near twice as many wins as the rocket and has beat him twice head to head; he leads the league in wins, complete games and innings pitched, and is second in strikeouts and shutouts. clemens only tops him in one category, era. clemens does pitch in a tougher park than carpenter and has suffered much worse luck; while many have noted that houston's weak offense has cost roger a number of wins, it has been largely overlooked that all three of the cards' unlikely 9th-inning rallies this year -- the 7-run comeback vs the reds may 2, eckstein's walkoff slam vs the braves in early august, and the 5-run rally against the giants on the last homestand -- got carp off the hook for a loss. not that 20-7 is a bad record, but it isn't quite as gaudy as 20-4. . . . . you could argue that carp, on the merits, is a 20-7 pitcher and clemens, with decent run support, would be an 18-4 pitcher or thereabouts. you could factor in the ballparks, and that would work in clemens' favor too. and if houston wins the wild card, that will probably also win roger some votes -- some people will credit him for being a difference-maker who got his team over the top, while dismissing carp as just another cog in a dominant machine. i think there are voters who want so badly to recognize clemens one more time that they will jump through as many hoops as necessary to do it. should carp get dinged a time or two during the september tune-up season, and should clemens get hot and lift his win total to 15 . . . . . i just don't think it's over yet.
but if carp holds his form and/or clemens finishes with, say, 14 victories . . . well like i said, sportswriter bias must have its limits. it has to . . . . . doesn't it?
in perusing carp's game log at mlb.com, i spotted something kind of intriguing. in late may and early june, carpenter briefly started getting the ball up. in his first 9 starts, he got 87 groundouts and only 35 flyouts, a ratio of 2.48:1. in his last two may starts and first two june starts, he actually got more flyouts (27) than groundouts (24). he didn't pitch badly -- far from it, he was 2-2 with a 2.25 era -- but batters hit .272 off him in that stretch, vs. .216 for the season as a whole. immediately after that string of four games, carp started getting groundballs again and became unhittable, giving up just 40 hits and 9 runs over his next 84 innings. it could just be random data, but it also could indicate that somebody spotted something -- a mechanical thing, a pitch-selection pattern -- and carp made an adjustment, which in turn made him a cy young candidate.
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Another thing
The Coveted Double Dip
With nothing in the way of pennant race action to get worked up about, a natural outlet for Cardinal Nation energy is speculation about whether Carp will win the Cy Young, and whether Albert might take home the MVP. Good piece by lboros, and it got me thinking...might Carp's greatness hurt Albert's chances, or vice versa? It seemed plausible that people might be reluctant to give one team both awards. At the same time, it also seemed plausible that the bias toward winning teams (reflected in the Cy Young Predictor's Victory Bonus) might favor a double dip. Strictly for grins, I looked at the historical winners, and below is a list of all occasions when the Cy and the MVP were given to people (or one person) on the same team. I also included the team's record that year as well as their final position in the standings.
Year MVP Cy Young Team Record
2002 Miguel Tejada Barry Zito 103-59 (1)
1993 Frank Thomas Jack McDowell 94-68 (1)
1992 Dennis Eckersley Dennis Eckersley 96-66 (1)
1991 Terry Pendleton Tom Glavine 94-68 (1)
1990 Rickey Henderson Bob Welch 103-59 (1)
Barry Bonds Doug Drabek 95-67 (1)
1988 Kirk Gibson Orel Hershiser 94-67 (1)
1986 Roger Clemens Roger Clemens 95-66 (1)
1984 Ryne Sandberg Rick Sutcliffe 96-65 (1)
Willie Hernandez Willie Hernandez 104-58 (1)
1982 Robin Yount Pete Vuckovich 95-67 (1)
1981 Rollie Fingers Rollie Fingers 62-47 (1*)
1980 Mike Schmidt Steve Carlton 91-71 (1)
1974 Steve Garvey Mike Marshall 102-60 (1)
1971 Vida Blue Vida Blue 101-60 (1)
1968 Denny McClain Denny McClain 103-59 (1)
Bob Gibson Bob Gibson 97-65 (1)
1967 Carl Yastrzemski Jim Lonborg 92-70 (1)
1963 Sandy Koufax Sandy Koufax 99-63 (1)
1961 Roger Maris Whitey Ford 109-53 (1)
1960 Dick Groat Vern Law 95-59 (1)
1959 Nellie Fox Early Wynn 87-67 (3)
1957 Hank Aaron Warren Spahn 95-59 (1)
1956 Don Newcombe Don Newcombe 93-61 (1)
The only thing I conclude from this list is a very strong correlation between team success and double dippin'. Of course, it's dangerous to infer causation from correlation, so I'm not sure what's truer: (a) team success influences voters or that (b) great individual players cause great team success. I'm sure it's a bit of both, but in any case, it bodes well for the Cards. Finishing with the best record in baseball plus sweeping the MVP and Cy Young awards would be pretty special. And as an added bonus, it might cause the rest of the league to say, in the words of George Costanza's funereal tormentor Timmy, "Next time just take one dip and END IT!"
The '59 White Sox
I think you listed the record of '60 White Sox...
Yadi's batting cleanup again.
ESPN splits say
I'm ready for Reggie Sanders to return.
by Rob H on Sep 4, 2005 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
Fun with math
On that subject
Anyway, I expect (hope) someone will explain why this is a bad idea. Or maybe everyone already knows this unbeknownst to me? But it seems to make some sense to me anyway.
Izzy's Warming
by bellyscratcher on Sep 4, 2005 4:29 PM EDT reply actions
way to go jason!
Over the last
189 pitches; 142 for strikes
18 IP; 7 hits; 8 K; O BB; 1 ER
Today, 71 of 98 pitches were strikes.
Not too shabby for someone who was ready for the scrap heap 2 weeks ago.




















