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Mississippi Nights

This one will be pretty much only for a St. Lou area crowd--and it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with baseball, but Brock20's recent post on this venerable St. Lou institution left me no choice but to ramble and remember the incredible things witnessed therein. Besides--The Birds will clinch in a couple days and tonite all is well (well, damn close to well) in Cardinal Nation. So humor me.

In the early 80's, it was only half the size it is now--kind of a small dump, really. But it was the BEST music club on The Landing; hell, in all of St.Lou. Those days saw Ramones, Dead Kennedys, Cramps, Black Flag, Minutemen, Circle Jerks, Bad Brains, Tom Waits, Peter Tosh, Burning Spear, Sun Ra, UB40, Violent Femmes, Del Fuegos, Replacements, Jason & The (Nashville) Scorchers, Meat Puppets, Mekons--the list could go on and on (if my ruined brain could recall them all). Goddamn that place rocked! Forget the hippie/blues bars in Soulard--Mississippi Nights was IT then. At least for bands of that noteriety.

Into the later 80's, a basement club in the Washington University Loop, Cicero's, helped start the whole "No Depression" subgenre of what now is called alt-country: Cicero's fostered a local scene that gave birth to Uncle Tupelo (as well as their honky-tonk cover band offshoot, Coffee Creek), Chicken Truck (which became The Bottle Rockets), etc--as well as regional acts like The Jayhawks, The Morells (later The Skeletons), and Joe Camel & The Caucasians (more Belleville, IL native sons)--all leading to Son Volt and Wilco and all those bands we love so much today.

I must confess that I dig Son Volt way more than Wilco, but then I always dug Jay Farrar's stuff more in Uncle Tupelo. I grew up in Belleville and have been seeing those guys since around 1984 (went to West High School in the 70's with their older brothers), when they were mostly a great cover band called The Primatives. I spent much of my early 20's getting drunk to their music at bowling alleys, drive-in movie theaters (they'd play til dusk when the movies started), VFW halls, and tiny seedy bars. BUT their first big shows as Uncle Tupelo were at Mississippi Nights, the shrine of alternative music in St. Lou (see, I knew I'd get back to my point eventually).

Now there are several other venues--The Galaxy, The Pageant, Creepy Crawl, probably others I'm too much of an old fart to know about--but Mississippi Nights, boy howdy!--it's our own CBGB's. Long may it stand!

(Please feel free to add more memories of shows seen there. Or anywhere in St.Lou. I'm kind of a sentimental old punk)

     

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Man....
We've probably been at the same shows!  Mississippi Nights runs hot and cold for me, especially in my older years now, when I like to have a seat for concerts.  Oh for the days when my friends and I would go and sit on the sidewalk to be the first inside, and then spend two hours waiting for the first band to come on, all the while standing.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Nirvana's first St. Louis show was at Ms. Nights?  

I saw John Hiatt and the Goners there for a great show.  Weezer for the Point's, the local alt rock station's, 105 show, and the Violent Femmes circa 1993 or 1994 for a packed house where people were passing out.  

Those early Wilco shows though, were probably the best ones.  Son Volt shows were great sonically, but Jay Farrar loses the to Tweedy for the in between song banter.

by Brock20 on Sep 14, 2005 11:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's
true--Jay doesn't say a whole hell of a lot! Tweedy is much more personable to an audience. I'm not sure about Nirvana. I saw them once at Cicero's. Right after Nevermind came out, but before it hit big(winter '91?). Killer show--never expected any of what followed for them. They may have played Ms. Nights before that, though. I'll bet we were at many of the same shows--great old times. True also that Ms. Nights wasn't the most comfortable venue. Especially so in it's smaller incarnation. If I'm remembering right (which is always a good question), I don't think they even had air-conditioning then. But in a way, that discomfort even makes me more nostalgic. Old fart that I am, I'd never deal with that now.

by rockin redbird on Sep 14, 2005 11:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

but...
that's really the dichotomy between those two guys--farrar is way more on the substance, and tweedy won on the style.  It's why, down here in Texas, Wilco rules the college rock circuit, and only the hipsters know who Son Volt is (though the seediest campus bar DOES have Wide Swing Tremeolo in the jukebox)

by Valatan on Sep 14, 2005 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on what substance means....
I think they both show their punk roots, defined as first break all the rules or as Zach Delarocha once wrote/screamed, "F you I won't do what you tell me", in two different ways.  Tweedy went a sonic exploration, which left a lot of people cold, but evolved there.  Farrar cleary won the battle over best first post breakup album, but go back and listen to some of those songs, and Jeff wrote some of the best dang 3 minute roots rock songs of the 1990s.  (Box full of Letters I'd rank as first.)  
   Farrar kept a closer to Tupelo sound, but took his free verse imagery with words you have to look up in a dictionary to a whole new level.  
   Tweedy tried to go the imagery route on later albums, and Farrar took the sonic aspects in different directions as well, note a lot of the alternate tunings and multi-instrumentation on his solo albums.  
   For my money, Tweedy was behind Farrar in song writing, musicanship, and other aspects, but developed, and exceeded Farrar.  While Farrar produceded quality, if not breakout work.  

by Brock20 on Sep 14, 2005 2:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd agree with you
if Okemah wasn't so good.  I still haven't really listened to a ghost is born too closely, but every time I ilisten to Okemah and the melody of riot, I get something new out of it.  Though maybe I just do get way too turned off with a lot of Wilco's weird insturmentation interludes

by Valatan on Sep 14, 2005 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ps
weirdly enough, I'm going to see Son Volt this friday, making this diary quite interestingly timed.

by Valatan on Sep 14, 2005 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

New Album...
is good and I should have said that I excluded it from the progression, because its too new.  Trace is Son Volt's best album, and then the law of diminishing returns applies after that.  Wilco peeked for me with YHF, because the song writing balances out the weird lap top generated sounds.  (If you've seen the movie "I am Trying to Break Your Heart" I actually like the alternate/orginal versions of a lot of the songs, especially Kamera which is more electric guitar fuzzed out sounding than the melodic version on the album.)  

Ghost is gathering dust in my closet, which says what I think about it.  

by Brock20 on Sep 14, 2005 3:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ghost
was gathering dust in my collection, too, until I saw Wilco live at the Fox.  They did a bunch of the new stuff (as they always do), and the performances were so strong that I got the songs in a way I hadn't before.  It helps to think of Ghost as (and the album art makes this explicit) Wilco's White Album:  just as self-consciously eclectic, as determined never to create an expectation it doesn't immediately undermine.  It's Wilco's career in microcosm.  (Ending with a song that could almost have come straight out of A.M..)  Now I'm certain it's brilliant.

by drenglish on Sep 15, 2005 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mississippi Nights is also...
...the only venue in st. louis that Jeff Buckley ever played, which is significant to me, at least.

by mll2k3 on Sep 14, 2005 6:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Quiz
Anybody else grow up reading Rock & Roll magazines in the 70's?

If so, identify which magazine I took the interjection, "Boy Howdy!", from.

Hints: It was published in a northern midwest city that hosts an AL team, is famous for producing some of the greatest rock acts of the 60's & 70's, and made famous the greatest and craziest of all the rock critics.  

by rockin redbird on Sep 14, 2005 7:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re: quiz
I didn't start reading rock mags til the 80s, but are you talking about Creem?

I was only in St. Louis from '83 to '90 and then left for college, but came back for a couple summers, so I didn't get to Miss. Nights as often as I liked, but Uncle Tupelo was one of the few shows I saw there.  It was right between No Depression and Still Feel Gone, and they played most of both albums.  The versions they played of Gun, Postcard, Punch Drunk, and Still Be Around blew me away and vaunted Still Feel Gone into my personal pantheon of albums, where it remains today.  I also remember them screwing with the arrangement of Whiskey Bottle, causing them both to smile.  I don't think I've seen either of them smile since.

But my introduction to Uncle Tupelo was on cable access, on a show called 'Critical Mass' hosted by DeDe Scofield on Wednesday nights.  She'd show alternative music videos (not 120 minutes eurotrash, either) and feature a local band playing 2 songs live in the studio, if a studio was available.  The first episode I saw had Uncle Tupelo playing Graveyard Shift and Factory Belt in their basement.  Anyone else ever see this?  

Oh, and did anyone ever see the Barking Aardvarks?

OK, that's enough for a first post.

by mikeoat on Sep 15, 2005 9:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was in grad school
during the heyday of Miss. Nights (and Tupelo), so I missed most of that scene.  On the other hand, I did see Tupelo fronting for the Replacements at Toad's Place in New Haven, probably '90 or '91.  At the time I had barely heard of them (through friends back home)—I was there for the 'Mats.  What I most remember is them coming out and starting the set in the dorkiest way imaginable, chanting in unison "Tupelo, Tupelo, Tupelo!" before launching into the first number.  Priceless.

by drenglish on Sep 15, 2005 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm.....
I was thinking RR had to be talking about lester bangs, but I thought he was from San Diego.  

by Brock20 on Sep 15, 2005 10:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he's
from out west, but wasn't really famous as the wild man critic till the Creem and Crawdaddy days and started writing about the Detroit bands. His big feud with Lou Reed came later, but all that Detroit stuff was nuts!  

by rockin redbird on Sep 15, 2005 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right On, Mike...
You win the Golden Bippy!!  Man, did I love Creem, especially back when Lester Bangs was writing for them. I didn't become an avid reader till the late-70's, but my cousin had nearly every issue from the beginning. Tons of articles about Stooges, MC5, Grand Funk, SRC, Amboy Dukes--all the seminal Detroit bands. Pretty much got my music taste from their pages.

As for that Tupelo show--nope. But I'll check with some of my bootleg traders--might be a tape of it out there somewhere. Thanks for the heads-up.

by rockin redbird on Sep 15, 2005 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

never heard
Barking Aardvarks--great name though!!

by rockin redbird on Sep 15, 2005 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grand Funk Railroad....
"the wild, shirtless lyrics of Mark Farner; the bone-crushing bass of Mel Schacher; the competent drum work of Don Brewer."   Homer Simpson.  

by Brock20 on Sep 15, 2005 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Homer knows
his classic rock!! GFR got pretty sappy later on, but their early rekkids kick some big ass. Never got to see them live though.

by rockin redbird on Sep 15, 2005 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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