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Around SBN: Terry Collins, David Wright, And The Mets/Brewers Kerfuffle

Game 112 Open Thread: August 8, 2005

i noted hopefully the other day that, with kevin mench's contract negotiations with the texas rangers having broken down, maybe jocketty can pick him off for cheap. well, perhaps the thinking's not entirely wishful; at least, the newark star-ledger doesn't think so:

The Rangers could still trade outfielder KEVIN MENCH this month. The team had been working on a three-year contract extension with Mench but pulled its latest offer off the table, increasing speculation that it might be about to deal him.

no word on who's doing said speculating, or whether it's based on any actual information . . . . marquis-for-mench? i can see it.

as long as we're fantasizing, here's another unlikely scenario -- so unlikely, in fact, that you can imagine jocketty working the angle deep under the radar: alfonso soriano. the rangers are said to be agonizing over whether or not to retain him; he is arbitration eligible and will probably earn at least $10 million next year, and a contract of that size would clash with other organizational objectives -- upgrading the pitching staff and/or locking up mench and mark texiera with multi-year deals. he fits the profile jock professed to be looking for -- high-impact, rbi bat -- is 29 years old, and has postseason experience.

before the deadline the rangers explored deals with the mets, cubs, and marlins -- the latter of which planned to play soriano in left field, according to the fort-lauderdale sun-sentinel. presumably soriano could play there for the cards as long as the outfield remains undermanned; he could also make some starts at third base until scott rolen is ready to play. if sanders, walker, or rolen can't go in october, soriano takes his place; if all three return hale and hearty for the postseason, soriano becomes a potent pinch-hit bat and (if stl makes it to the series) a formidable DH.

after the season stl could either offer soriano arbitration and hand him the 2b job for 06; sign him to a multiyear deal; or non-tender him and spend the
money more wisely.

what would i offer to get him? the sun-sentinel reported that florida offered luis castillo and two prospects; suppose the cards dangled jason marquis and brad thompson? the rangers need pitchers . . . .  maybe we toss in someone like hec luna or john gall or chris gissell, and the rangers toss in lh relief pitcher brian shouse.

the longest of shots . . . . and given the rookies' performance, perhaps jock'ty is no longer inclined. tho if he had a chance to add a 40-hr man, how could he resist?

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"If David Eckstein can hit a game-winning grand slam," notes my colleague jeff at Brew Crew Ball, "Victor Santos can beat the Cardinals."

the brewers ain't out of it yet; they are right at .500, only 4.5 games out with about 50 to play. the astros were in a much worse position this time last year and still went on to win the wild card. here's jeff again:

If the Crew can hold steady or pick up a game or two between now and the 18th (a strong possibility, with six games against the Reds and Rockies) and then grab a split or better in Houston, they could well turn the Sept-1 corner within a couple games of the wild-card lead.

hey, we've seen stranger things. but let's get `em off on the wrong foot tonite.


mattmo             santos
12-4, 3.68        3-11, 4.02

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Wrong foot?  Let the trash-talking begin...only there's really nothing to make fun of about your team.

If y'all pick up (and keep) Soriano ... sheesh.  I guess we'll be competing for the wild card for the next decade.

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by jeffbcb @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 8, 2005 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

a guy can dream
can't he? (ref'ing to soriano)

brewers have an impressive group of young players, and i personally wish 'em well ---- starting thursdy ......

"comedy" central is turning out not to be not so shabby after all, eh?

by lboros on Aug 8, 2005 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Soriano & Matty
While Soriano has tremendous upside, offensively, I really don't know how flexible he would be re: outfield, third base, etc...he's not a very consistent fielder at his current position; I wonder how he'd be at another.

As far as tonight goes, I confess to worrying about Matty a little--the last couple of starts have been worrisome, taken as a whole...His ERA has risen from 3.1 to 3.6.  Quickly.  I'd love to see one of those 7+ strong tonight...

by glennrwordman on Aug 8, 2005 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Soriano
perhaps it would make more sense, whilst waiting upon the return of rolen, to have grudzie play 3B, and soriano play 2B, or to play him in the outfield

Knowing tony, he'd do every option he could think of.

by Valatan on Aug 8, 2005 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then what about Nunez?
I don't see how you can sit Nunez. The only way that trading for Soriano would make sense to me is if they expect him to take over at second. And while the bat would be nice, I think Grudzie has played too well to give up much for Soriano.

Overall, I just don't think it makes sense. I still believe that they should only be looking to trade for a high-impact, rbi outfielder or for some quality bullpen help. Mench might fit the definition, but could Soriano really play reasonably well in the outfield?

by rob is back on Aug 9, 2005 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Soriano
I get Rangers' games frequently here in the hinterlands of northeast Arkansas... and from what I see, Sori is not a major-league-quality second baseman, and I doubt he could play third.  Also, some of his batting success can be laid at the foundation of Ameriquest Field (the Coors Lite of the AL.)  I honestly don't think he'd be much help.

by The Ol Goaler on Aug 8, 2005 8:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Mench-o-rific
Man, I know I was down on trading Marquis at the beginning of the yaer, but now I say pull the trigger. Mench is great, and might be hte kind of guy that would really floursh in STL.

Brew Crew trash talk: Weeks and Soriano are similar, neither one can field the ball better than the average Babe Ruth league 2B.

by Ryan Van Bibber on Aug 8, 2005 8:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Soriano postseason
My lasting memory of him in the 2003 playoffs was being ridiculously overmatched by the Red Sox and Marlins (not the first guy, I know, but someone the Yankees were counting on). Soriano swinging and missing at the offspeed stuff away was more fun than most of Sosa's at bats against really good pitchers through the years

4 for 30, 11 K's against Sox ... ugh

That was a few years ago, but if he isn't hitting he sure isn't turning in solid glovework. I'd go outfield.

P.S. Good work by Flores tonight. Hope to see more of that with King sputtering.

"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." - Jim Bouton

by WillieMcGeeModelingCompany on Aug 8, 2005 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

well well...
another solid win, even with Matty struggling yet again. we'll take it, but I'm all of a sudden getting the old queasy feelings from last year when it's his turn to pitch. hope he works it out soon. they're gonna need him sharper than he's been.

by rockin redbird on Aug 8, 2005 11:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Man...
I think that Grudzie has earned himself the official Jim Edmonds hot/cold hitting award

by Valatan on Aug 9, 2005 12:26 AM EDT reply actions  

which is ok...
as long as they don't go cold together!
dum loquimur fugerit invida aetas

by Neth on Aug 9, 2005 12:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm loving
the heart of this team right now. there is no giving up with these guys.

by cardsrul on Aug 9, 2005 1:39 AM EDT reply actions  

They're starting
to really click like we've all been hoping for--just like last year: a different hero almost every night. It's really incredible that they've done it without 1/2 the big boys, a real testament to "never say die." If Yadi comes back hot, great balls of fire!

by rockin redbird on Aug 9, 2005 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any word on Rolen?
I haven't heard anything about his situation and/or progress. If he's not doing well, I say go ahead and have the surgery, and rehab for next year. A healthy Nunez > an unhealthy Rolen. We have him contracted for quite some time, so it's time to think about next year for him if he's not going to come back as ROLEN this year.

by SirVLCIV on Aug 9, 2005 8:29 AM EDT reply actions  

hrm
And how ABOUT Nunez? Do you know how many teams wouldn't mind having him on their roster rightabout now?

by SirVLCIV on Aug 9, 2005 8:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Sorry for triple post
I'm starting to like Hal McRae. The comments about Eckstein, and how a lot of scrubby players all tend to hit well in St. Louis...

by SirVLCIV on Aug 9, 2005 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Morris
Matt Morris strikes me as someone who would really benefit from Yadi's return. I imagine Matty as a kind of pleasant head case, and Yadi gives the impression of really taking charge when he's behind the plate. I feel the same way about Marquis and his ability to get the sinker down--seems more consistent with Yadi.

But I have no data, and this could just be wishful thinking.

by levistahl on Aug 9, 2005 9:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Quick comments....
  1.  Anybody notice that in the third inning, all four of the Brewers batters swung at the first or second pitch on Matty Mo?  There is something going on there, because you make a guy who is OBVIOUSLY struggling throw strikes.  Could be he's tipping pitches and they thought they knew what was coming.
  2.  Yadi was in uniform last night, no Rolen, Sanders or Walker sightings.  
  3.  David Eckstein's pregame warm up tires me out.  Geez....

by Brock20 on Aug 9, 2005 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Re: number 3...
Since Eck spends all of his downtime, well, sitting down, I guess he has a lot of energy to burn...
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-cardinals-eckstein&prov=ap&type=lgns

by cardsrul on Aug 9, 2005 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

salvomania
Soriano's road splits in 2004-2005:

2004-Road... .242/.281/.403, for a .684 OPS
2005-Road... .244/.291/.444, for a .735 OPS

Soriano is also considered one of the absolute worst fielders in all of baseball---he'd certainly be a huge contrast to Grudz at 2nd; I can't imagine he'd all of a sudden turn into a decnt defender if he were moved to left.

He turns 30 beofre next year---I say pass.

by salvomania on Aug 9, 2005 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

wow those are some ugly
splits. i had no idea . . . . .

kevin mench also has a significant split, but he hits better away than alfonso:

home 2005: 283 / 357 / 500 / 857
road 2005: 258 / 323 / 505 / 829

home 2004: 299 / 365 / 571 / 936
road 2004: 256 / 299 / 502 / 801

by lboros on Aug 9, 2005 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

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