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when you wish upon a star . . . .

i have this fantasia i've been conjuring lately, goes like this: it's the first round of the playoffs, cards v marlins -- game 5, do-or-die. i hop online 90 minutes or so before game time to check out the lineups, and they read like this:

florida st louis
pierre cf eckstein ss
castillo 2b rodriguez lf
cabrera lf pujols 1b
delgado 1b molina c
encarnacion rf taguchi cf
lo duca c mabry rf
lowell 3b nunez 3b
gonzalez ss luna 2b
willis p carpenter p

so on the one hand: perfect. beautiful. this season belongs to them, the jv scrubs who dreamed that they were real championship ballplayers and ultimately came to find it wasn't a dream anymore, it was the real thing -- just like pinocchio. they wished upon their star and when the wish came true, they did it up. however it may end in october, we'll remember 2005 for these guys; i know i will. so haven't they earned it? the chance to decide things, if it comes down to that?

that's on the one hand. then there's the other hand, which says this:

god, how i hate disney films.

the washington nationals probably hate 'em even more after that loss yesterday. opponents' starting pitcher scratched, mvp candidate tossed, all-star centerfielder injured -- and still they fall 6-0, to the back end of the bullpen and bench. it was a special win for the cardinals, one that sums up the whole season -- viz., as long as these guys still have at least one out and nine healthy bodies, they'll try to beat you. put it up there with the comeback in cincinnati and the last-gasp walkoffs by albert and eck -- ballgames to remember.

but i'm not talking about august; i'm talking about october. past the hour for cuddly cartoon characters; past the children's bedtime. october is no time for pinocchio. it's time for sigourney weaver in the alien movies -- resourceful, balls-out and desperate, fighting for survival moment by moment. i have this fearful image of the cardinals in close combat with the monster, aiming their flame-thrower right between its eyes, and finding that nothing comes out except pixie dust.

to dispense with the fancy metaphors: as much as i love these bench players, i hate the cardinals' bench. barring a trade, it will comprise these six players in october:

  • hector luna
  • john mabry
  • john rodriguez
  • einar diaz
  • so taguchi
  • scott seabol

believe me, i think it's as funny as you do when these guys take over the lineup card and outplay the other team's starting eight. but i have a feeling we won't be laughing if they're called upon to provide much help in october. taguchi or mabry could come to the plate in a crucial situation without making me cringe; any of the others, forget it. there have been teams that won it all with weak benches; the '75 reds were backed up by the likes of dan driessen, darrell chaney, ed armbrister, bill plummer, and doug flynn. but they didn't have four starters over the age of 35, all of them hobbled by injuries; they didn't already have a bench player starting at third base every day.

but what to do? the trade pickings are pathetically slim; good players with bad contracts, bad players with worse contracts. and the cardinals don't really have that much to offer. it's to the point that i'm thinking: rich aurilia? hmmm . . . . beats hell out of scott seabol. gary matthews jr? please dear god, let him clear waivers. and i suddenly find myself paying heed to mark (gulp) bellhorn's on-base percentage. . . . . . cast your vote in the bellhorn poll, right-hand sidebar.

this is really not the day for such talk; should probably not poor-mouth the pinocchios right after their greatest triumph in a summer full on'm. but the deadline looms, and talk is afoot. jocketty shot down one notion yesterday, per bernie's pressbox: no deal in the offing for phil nevin. and my idle speculation yesterday about jason marquis being dealt to the nationals may not have been so idle after all; fox sports floated the same rumor. (i sure hope he didn't get that idea from me. . . . ) anyway, bernie shot that one down too.

we're at the marlins for three; would love to see the pinocchios take them on this week. knock `em dead, fellas. . . . .

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I think we may have to face the fact
that there really isn't anybody out there available that's much better than what we've already got (!)  (OK, I'd rather have Aurilia than Seabol, who has apparently played himself out of the majors this past week... but would, say, Bill Pulsipher be enough to get him?)

I don't think the Cards would trade Wainwright or Reyes... might Marquis' good outing against the Nats be enough to get him moved?  Then again, Cal Eldred, Brad Thompson, Al Reyes, Julian Tavarez, and Ray King were enough to shut out the punchless Nats.

Luna has looked unusually good the past couple of weeks... I could see him as a pinch-runner in a crucial spot in the playoffs.  And, hell, John Rodriguez might just be dumb enough not to realize he's supposed to freeze under pressure... he's starting to take curveballs the other way, which is a good sign.

But what do I know?

by The Ol Goaler on Aug 29, 2005 2:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Playoffs
2004 World Series
Edmonds 15 AB, 1 H
Rolen 15 AB, 0 H
Sanders 9 AB, 0 H

If these 3 could underperform against the Red Sox in October, there's no reason to suspect that JRod et al. can't overperform against the A's this October.

I mean, would anyone have guessed 1 for 39 from those 3?  Don't get me wrong, I cringe when I see Diaz or Seabol bat in a regular season game; I just don't see giving up any of the cogs of this team for a hired hand.  The pitching will make the difference in the playoffs just like a healthy Carp would've made the difference last year.

by STLEdge on Aug 29, 2005 3:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i wouldn't give up a cog
either; we're in agreement on that. but i don't think it would take a cog, or even a top prospect, to get one of these players. they're all unsigned for next season, and their teams aren't asking for the moon. brad thompson likely won't be on the postseason roster; he's a decent player but has a small role and can be replaced fairly easily next year. if that's what it would take to beef up the bench, i'm all in favor.

i don't dismiss the idea that j-rod or luna might contribute in the playoffs. that could happen. but i wouldn't want to have to rely on it. moreover, scott seabol is pure dead weight; almost any player we can get to take over his slot is an upgrade. if they can find one (like aurilia or matthews) who hits left-handers, and the cost is bearable . . . . well i'm sure jocketty is working on it.

by lboros on Aug 29, 2005 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that's been the pattern though
Jocketty, at some point in his career, really took heed of Daniel Burnham's words: "Make no small plans..." Look at his two signature midseason hires: Scott Rolen and Larry Walker. No, I don't see the Cards picking up a guy who is merely an improvement on Scott Seabol. Nor do I see a two-month kind of arrangement; that's not Jocketty's style and makes no sense in exchange for, say, Jason Marquis. If they do make a move, it will be for a name player and it will be at least a 14-month deal, IMO.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 29, 2005 10:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

but isn't marquis
only a two-month arrangement at this point? i just don't think he'll be back; at least, i wouldn't want him back at the price he'll command in arbitration.

so if the choice is between two months of jason marquis, who is in no position to help your team, or rich aurilia, who might end up starting some games at 3b in the playoffs .....

easy call in my mind

by lboros on Aug 29, 2005 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Billy Beane...
...like him or not, makes one of his "rules" that you shouldn't ever believe you HAVE to make a deal, cause thats when you make a bad one.

Seabol is the only guy on that list I'd like to see upgraded, but I'm more than happy to stand pat with the team that's compiled the best record in baseball so far.

And Goaler has a point...there may not be anybody to get. Too many teams are still in it, or feel like they are well set up to make a run next year.

They make me more than a little nervous too, but God bless 'em, the Redbirds have earned their roster spots this year.

dum loquimur fugerit invida aetas

by Neth on Aug 29, 2005 10:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I suppose that's so, however
I can't see TLR taking on a player for a two-month stint. It's just not his style, and you have to have somebody like that, why not just pick up a free agent instead? Doesn't make sense to me to trade a decent, if unreliable, pitcher for a two-month fill-in.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 29, 2005 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One other item concerning Marquis...
He could be extremely valuable as a pinch-hitter--better probably than everyone on the bench currently save Gooch and Mabry. Another nice thing about that: very few pitchers will have gone to school on him. He could earn his keep if he hit .375 in October.

by Red in Chicago on Aug 29, 2005 11:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's funny
how, before the season, so many people(myself not included) were singing the praises of one Mr. Scott Seabol, and now they can't wait to dump the guy. This is not an indictment on anyone in anyway, but it just goes to show the difficulty of predicting talent. In the same vein, when Nunez was signed to a minor league deal, no one really thought much of it because of his track record. But where would the Cardinals be without Abe right now? The fact that this team is 83-48, playing most of the last two months with basically a AAA lineup, still amazes me. Whether they can carry that through October, well, that remains to be seen. No doubt about it though, I love this team.

by cardsrul on Aug 29, 2005 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Seabol
Don't forget, Seabol's signature moment this year was a home run against the New York Yankees.  He may have tougher cojones than we think.

by STLEdge on Aug 29, 2005 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sanders and Walker....
Their availability during the post-season is going to determine how much we have to rely on the likes of Seabol and those at the end of the pecking order.  Nunez will cover third, hit 7 or 8th and I am not going to worry about it.  

Sanders and Walker cannot play, then I get worried.  

by Brock20 on Aug 29, 2005 12:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FYI
Bellhorn is expected to sign with Oakland after he clears waivers.  I think he'd be a good fit with STL,but it looks unlikely.

by salb918 on Aug 29, 2005 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A little harsh?
Just my two cents, but I don't think that the bench would be THAT bad if that is the way it turned out.

Projected Lineup - Playoffs

  1. Eck
  2. The Canadian Mountie
  3. Prince Albert
  4. JEdmonds
  5. Sanders
  6. Grudz
  7. Honest Abe
  8. Molina
  9. Pitcher
That leaves us with..

Luna
Diaz
Mabes
So
J-Rod
Seabol

Let's be honest. Diaz is only seeing PT in the playoffs if Yadier gets arrested. He will be the LAST guy off the bench, since Tony won't use his back-up catcher in a PH role.

Obviously, no-one will whine when Tony sends up So or Mabes to pinch-hit or play D. I wish JM had a little more thunder in his bat this year, but he is competent. So has exceeded everyones' expectations.

That leaves us with J-Rod, Luna, and Seabol. Scott is playing his way out of the Major Leagues right now. I wish he could do better, but he isn't getting many ABs, and doesn't look all that good when he does.

Luna has been surprisingly competent. He is hitting .282. His glove has been OK. He can steal a bit. Not much pop, but how much can you expect from a reserve infielder?

That leaves us with J-Rod, who might be one of the more important players in the playoffs (and I wish to high heaven I was joking about this). His OPS is nearly .800. He has some ability to hit the long ball (4 HRs, 6 2Bs). He isn't completely overmatched against lefties (no XBH, but .400 OBP). Knowing Tony, I can see him getting a spot start against tough right-hander in the playoffs. I just hope his D and baserunning don't get exposed.

So, three fair to middlin bench players (J-Rod, So, Mabes) one competent one (Luna) and two write-offs (though Diaz wouldn't play even if Yadier was missing a limb).

All told, we could do worse.

by Glaze72 on Aug 29, 2005 6:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

True, and yet...
we could do better.  Like lboros, part of me is captivated by the Cinderellian aspects of our team and season.  But as bad as I'd like to believe otherwise, I simply don't feel great about leaning our postseason hopes on "we could do worse."  If we don't win the Series this year, and the bench plays even a minor role in that outcome, we'll all be complaining that we settled for "we could do worse."  Of course, if we win it all, even if it's despite the bench, that gamble will have paid off.  

The question--the tough question--is whether or not to take that gamble. And unfortunately, we don't have infinite time--we can't crunch ALL the pertinent numbers--and even if we did, who's to say there isn't some unquantifiable quality like "chemistry" we might be tampering with?  These are the questions that really don't admit of "answers" until October.  And for that reason, I don't envy Jock.  Yeah, fandom can be taxing, but our hand-wringing over this issue is pretty idle.  We don't make the decision--he does.  Accordingly, he has to not only grapple with this thorny problem, but pretend to have solved it.  That can't be relaxing.

by Hummingbird on Aug 29, 2005 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

especially after
EVERYTHING going right last year during regular play, and then they still got swept. I too hope Walt is working on some mindblowing deal we hadn't considered possible. But the reality just may be that the Cinderella story gets a happy ending for us or... doesn't. Brace yourselves, folks. Could be a rocky october or could be a cakewalk. Either way, I can't wait to see it.

by rockin redbird on Aug 29, 2005 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Injuries...
played a huge part in that World Series, but the Cards are not blow hards so they weren't shipping their wraps to keep arms in place or used cortisone injection needles to the Hall.  

Rolen was hurting.
Matty Mo's arm was falling off.
Walker was getting more shots than a sorority girl at frat party.
Carp couldn't pitch.  

I'm not going to begrudge the Red Sox their due, but we staggered into that series.  

by Brock20 on Aug 29, 2005 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true...
I think the duel to the death with Houston used up every drop of gas they had in the tank--and fumes weren't nearly enough to beat the mojo-empowered Sox. point is, though--I think we're gonna have to have confidence in the AAA boys. Unless there's a surprise from Walt, we gotta dance with them that brung us.

by rockin redbird on Aug 29, 2005 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too harsh
I agree. I think we're all being too harsh on the bench. We may not be having this discussion if not for them. I even think we're being a little harsh on Seabol, who we all know can play better than he has recently.

J-Rod has looked good in what little of the game I've seen tonite. In fact, I think he's looked better the past few games. If I were going to pick on anyone, I'd probably choose Diaz as a great risk to playoff hopes. Molina can't be replaced if he goes down, but there has to be someone better than Diaz as a replacement.

By the way, didn't Phil Nevin play some catcher for the Padres? Was he any good?

by rob is back on Aug 29, 2005 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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