busted blockbuster
well, so much for that rumor . . . . i think.
joe strauss's article this morning reports that the cards' efforts to acquire javier vazquez have crashed -- a sopping wet blanket on the rumor posted here last night that had jocketty offering marquis, suppan, and two prospects (prob'y wainwright and lambert) for vazquez and coveted outfield prospect carlos quentin. seems likely that pzonehitter, who posted the rumor, received information that was a few hours old -- hence no longer operative by the time he got it up at VEB. that might explain pzone's reference to re-signing grudzielanek, a viable intiative for most of the day but a defunct one by 10pm central, when pzone posted his diary.
but it's very possible that pzone's story was accurate -- just not timely. (i've got another inquiry pending with him to see what he thinks of the strauss story.) as i noted last night, the putative trade was consistent with numerous published reports about the cards' heavy interest in vazquez; it also gibed with whispers i'd heard on tuesday that the failure to sign burnett might force the cards to consider trading cherished prospects (specif., lambert and wainwright). and an early-edition version of strauss's article (posted here) stated this: "The Diamondbacks expressed interest in minor league pitching, including Memphis starter Adam Wainwright and former No. 1 draft pick Chris Lambert." that line got edited out later, when the p-d updated the article to reflect the king for bigbie and miles deal.
if you went to bed at a decent hour last night, you've got some catch-up reading to do. . . . .
anyway, that outtake-sentence lends some credence to pzone's story. it's possible that at 4 pm the cards and dbacks were discussing the vazquez-quentin deal, or something like it -- and maybe that's the hour at which pzone received his information. exit pzone; then, some time later, the cards ask the dbacks to kick a few million bucks into the deal, and the dbacks say nyooooooo. crash, burn.
all speculation. but we should hope that pzone's story had some truth to it. because if the trade he described was ever close to going down, that would be a sign that jocketty hasn't resigned himself to filling out the roster with cheap retreads. this would be a very bold move, and it would make sense on a number of levels:
- the cards would be moving two players who are bound for free agency in 2007
- they'd be getting one of the top 10 or 15 prospects in the game, quentin
- they'd be adding the young outfielder they desperately need
- they'd be adding a productive ev'yday player making the league minimum, providing several years of payroll relief
- they'd be adding a power pitcher
it was only a rumor, so believe it or don't. i can tell you that the putative trade did pass the payroll test, bringing the club in at right about the $90m limit:
2006 ROSTER MATRIX
SCENARIO #8: VAZQUEZ AND QUENTIN
| STARTING 8 | BENCH | ROTATION | PEN |
|---|---|---|---|
| molina c $400K |
bigbie of $400K |
carpenter rhp $5m |
is'hausen rhp $8.5m |
| pujols 1b $14m |
rodriguez of $350K |
mulder lhp $7.5m |
looper rhp $1.5m |
| jimenez 2b $800K |
luna if $330K |
vazquez rhp $11.5m |
flores lhp $400K |
| rolen 3b $11m |
cruz if $800K |
morris rhp $7.5m |
dotel rhp $1.5m |
| eckstein ss $3.5m |
bennett c $600K |
an reyes rhp $320K |
ty johnson lhp $320K |
| quentin lf $320K |
gall 1b-of memphis |
thompson rhp $350K |
|
| edmonds cf $12m |
schumaker of memphis |
warm body $320k |
|
| taguchi rf $1m |
miles if memphis |
lincoln rhp pumping gas |
|
| TOTAL $43m |
TOTAL $2.5m |
TOTAL $31.8m |
TOTAL $13m |
| OVERALL | PAYROLL: | $90.3m |
the batting order would likely be:
eckstein ss
quentin lf
pujols 1b
edmonds cf
rolen 3b
taguchi rf
molina c
jimenez 2b
if the strauss article is true, by the way, it's one more instance of the stl ownership's stinginess -- because strauss implies that the talks broke down over the cards' demand for a cash kick-in from the dbacks. when arizona refused, the cards walked away from the table -- just like they walked away from giles, burnett, grudzielanek, and others this offseason. miklasz has some some choice words for dewitt & co this morning. . . . .
will update as soon as i hear from pzonehitter . . . .
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Not to get political but...
Well you did get political
Better but...
I was simply agreeing with Bernie's article, that Cardinals fans have had blind faith that the increases in revenues would lead to increased payroll, thus increasing our chances of winning a title. I am saying it is a mind set that we should have expected.
Well...
by WhackCuzzi on Dec 8, 2005 9:20 AM EST reply actions
Well
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Dec 8, 2005 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
lboros
I HAVE A QUENTIN, WHY IS DEWITT BEING SUCH A MENCH
PROVIDED THAT WE SIGN A #3 PITCHER, AS WELL!!!
AS FOR MENCH, HIS ROAD NUMBERS MAKE ME VERY SUSPICIOUS, IN THE SAME VEIGN, SORIANO'S NUMBERS AT RFK WILL BE INTERSTING TO WATCH!!!!
Bernie's column
Don't know how this deal is dead....
by Oddjob on Dec 8, 2005 10:15 AM EST reply actions
Here's why I don't buy it...
Then again, this is the team that signed Russ Ortiz.
Ortiz
There's no rule that says the money the Yankees are paying the D-backs for Vazquez has to be passed through.
by Rob H on Dec 8, 2005 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks Rob.
But still, you'd hate to look back three years from now, when Quetin is the next Cabrera (speculation!), and know that he could be side-by-side with Pujols in the Cards' lineup but for $3M in the winter of 2005. Or,if Quentin turns in to the next Carlos Pena, this is hailed as a good non-trade.
Me? I'd love to plug him in in front of Pujols and see what happens.
by flynn on Dec 8, 2005 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
If my understanding is correct,, ...
Then again, they'd be opening up two holes in the rotation and only filling one of them. They'd HAVE to get another arm somewhere to fill out the rotation, AND just totally rely on Reyes, which has it's own array of risks. But, with the postseason the way it is, it doesn't make sense to try and go "4/5 strong" with your rotation. Better to have a great "Big Three" with two low-cost rotation fillers and spend the money that would go to better #4 and #5 starters elsewhere, like the 'pen, or the OF, or 2b, or the bench (oh, the list goes on this year, doesn't it?)
I'm with RotoAuthority here. I'd be amazed if Quentin came our way for any package that didn't at least include Reyes and a lot more (or include Gonzo or Greenie in the role of Mike Lowell.)
But, independent of Quentin, I'd love to see Vasquez in the rotation.
by flynn on Dec 8, 2005 10:56 AM EST reply actions
I see......
by Mike1312 on Dec 8, 2005 11:06 AM EST reply actions
Re:
I was about to say the exact same thing last night here before I lost my Internet. It just didn't make sense when you looked at it. I'm glad it fell through.
Here's
Have at it...
ESPN reporting
Link..
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051208&content_id=1279094& ;vkey=hotstove2005&fext=.jsp
That was a well-administered paddling
I think he probably misses a few things, like the need for current returns, taxes, etc. But overall, he's right. Just as I said yesterday, if you have a weak farm system and few tradeable players, you have to step up and bid every now and then.
Anyway, I hope they heard him.
I think I want to slit my wrists
Ownership obviously deserves majority of the blame, but we shouldn't let Jock off the hook either. It's his job to have a clear understanding of what ownership will and won't accept before wasting time pursuing someone like Burnett while not moving aggressively on other fronts (e.g., trading Marquis for an OF or finding a decent solution at 2B). Perhaps he's become too confident in his ability to pull a rabbit out of the hat after his "Plan A" inevitably fails...
I guess I'm just venting frustration here ... but I see the '06 Cards shaping up as team that's significantly more vulnerable than the '04 or '05 versions, and with a much thinner margin for error.
Let's keep things in perspective:
They may or may not have more cash to spend, but as fans, we can't just assume that they "should" go out and spend millions of dollars on this player or that player if they don't feel it's worth it. Maybe they lose out on a coiuple of players who they feel are overvalued by the marketplace, maybe they then have available cash to make a better move at some point in the future. Of ocurse, they may just be misreading the market.
But I'm giving Jocketty & Co. the benefit of the doubt here while all the craziness spins on around us. Let's see how things have shaken out by the first week of April before we start shouting that the sky is falling.
It's definitely a seller's market at the moment
i'd have less problem with this
the question is, are you willing to pay the market rate to achieve your self-proclaimed objective? from what we've seen so far, these owners aren't willing to fund walter's program.
nobody's saying the sky is falling --- yet. but the last 10 days have to leave you wondering how serious the owners are about winning a championship
To worry or not to worry
Jiminez not doing so hot in Dominican League
by WillieMcGeeModelingCompany on Dec 8, 2005 12:42 PM EST reply actions
Nomar
One option out the window
by Matt @ Viva El Birdos on Dec 8, 2005 12:50 PM EST reply actions
Grud/Sanders
I just don't get it. Team chemistry is HUGE. I don't care who you have on the team. Grud/Sanders
provided that. Especially Reggie. Didn't Grud & Eck have the most double plays in the NL. Didn't attendance top 3 million this year? I can't imagine the profits on concessions & merchandise. They're already charging 7 bucks a beer at Busch. Make it 8 & keep these guys that bring more value to the team the just earning their paycheck.
Rule 5
by WillieMcGeeModelingCompany on Dec 8, 2005 1:22 PM EST reply actions
VIDRO
WONDER WHAT THAT MEANS FOR JOSE VIDRO...
I read somewhere that
by Matt @ Viva El Birdos on Dec 8, 2005 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
MATEO, HUH???!!!
ADAM BOEVE
OR
JAKE BLALOCK???!!
OR
KOUZMANOFF????
I didn't want....
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=5082
Outfielder
I've been thinking...
by alecoholics on Dec 8, 2005 2:51 PM EST reply actions
Are you...
Just kidding. I love the Cardinals too. Let's hope they're just incrementally making salary room for a great acquisition we're not even talking about...
by flynn on Dec 8, 2005 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
three relievers
05 career
Dotel (R) 1.37 1.20
Rincon (L) 1.45 1.31
Hernandez (R) 1.22 1.34
Looper (R) 1.47 1.37
Grimsley (R) 1.50 1.56
Seems to me that Dotel (if ready to go or at least close to it in April) and Hernandez (even at age 41) are the best of the bunch. Rincon could be a useful LOOGY. Last year, right-handed hitters had a .901 OPS off him, left-handers .711. (Numbers comparable in previous years.) Can't understand why we'd even look at Grimsley.
Any other thoughts?



















