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the cubs' signing of jacque jones for 3 yrs / $16.5m elicited laughter among card'l fans and head scratching at Beyond the Boxscore. "Why would you let Jeromy Burnitz go," BtB asked, "if you were just going to replace him with Jacque Jones?" the accompanying charts, summarizing three years' worth of data, showed burnitz to be jones's equal with the bat -- and considerably cheaper. the still-unsigned free agent played for 1 yr / $5m last season and, after a pedestrian 2005, will prob'y make less than that in 2006. though jones is four years younger than burnitz, his skills seem to be eroding more rapidly; even if jones does outplay burnitz by a bit (and that's an if), you have to wonder if the margin is worth the extra two years / $12m.

the cardinals might ask a similar question: why let reggie sanders go if you're only going to replace him with juan encarnacion? cardnilly had the charts for that comparison, less expansive but no less conclusive than the ones at BtB: sanders is a) better, and b) cheaper than the new guy. so here's a variation on that question: if you're going to replace reggie sanders, why bring in juan encarnacion when you already have a taguchi - rodriguez platoon?

i can't replicate the charts that BtB used in its jones-burnitz comparison, because gooch+rod don't have three-year data holes to mine. instead i'll publish this little table, which contains 2005 data only. see if you can tell which line has gooch-rod's combined production and which one has encarnacion's:

ab r h 2b 3b hr rbi bb avg obp slg ops r.c. r.c./
27
VORP win sh
A 545 60 158 27 4 13 77 39 .290 .337 .418 .755 76.9 5.4 26.3 19
B 506 59 145 27 3 16 76 41 .287 .349 .447 .796 76.8 5.7 28.3 19

gee: .287, 16 hr 76 bi on the one hand, .290, 13 hr, 77 bi on the other. and there's not much difference vis-vis the more advanced numbers, either; encarnacion slugged the ball a little better (he's player B), but that's the only thing separating him from the putative platoon he is replacing.

anybody think that wafer-thin advantage is worth a 3-yr / $15m commitment, as opposed to the 1 yr / $1.5m combined on taguchi and j-rod?

then of course we have to consider the fact that encarnacion in 2005 played far above his established level of performance, making him a likely candidate to regress back toward the mean in 2006. so the cardinals may well ahve shelled out $13.5m in marginal dollars for a guy with a negative marginal impact. it's exactly the type of move the cardinals pride themselves on not making. just two weeks ago the front office was preaching patience, assuring one and all that bargains would shake free as we got closer to spring training; above all else, jocketty told joe strauss in a short interview, the cardinals would not panic. "Just to throw money around like some of these other clubs is stupid," he said. "It's dumb business. We're not going to do that, because I don't want people criticizing me."

to tie this up into a neat little loop, you know who might have been a better option than encarnacion? jeromy burnitz. here's an abbreviated table with some cut-to-chase 2005 data:

ops obp r.c. r.c./27
burnitz .757 .322 84.6 5.1
encar'cion .796 .349 76.8 5.7

mind you, i'm not suggesting that jeromy burnitz is a good baseball player. he put up worse numbers than encarnacion last year (though he's a better hitter if you expand the data back beyond 2005), he played in a hitter's park (vs en'cion's pitcher park), and he is 7 years older and pushing retirement. but encarnacion's bat simply isn't that much better -- the margin is at most a win a season. you have to balance that out against the fact that you can get burnitz on a one-year deal -- which, when you're dealing with players as mediocre as these, is far more valuable than three years. you bring in burnitz for one corner and let gooch/rod/bigbie handle the other until you can trade marquis; then you deal jeromy for bullpen help, or you stick him on the bench and dfa bigbie, or whatever.

in case you're wondering, by the way, burnitz's defense is ev'y bit as good as encarnacion's -- or ev'y bit as bad, depending on who you ask and what defensive metric you trust. if you like UZR (discussion here), then you like burnitz: he and encarnacion tied in 2005 as the best rightfielders in the game, saving their respective teams 14 runs with the glove. (read comment #22 from this thread at baseball think factory -- straight from the horse's mouth.) if you like bpro's rate2, burnitz is slightly better than en'cion. in all the other advanced glove metrics -- pinto's pmr, gassko's Range, james's win shares -- burnitz and en'cion track each other.

the biggest diff'nce between them is that encarnacion can play a decent centerfield . . . . .and that simple fact might bring us as close as we can get to a rational explanation for this signing. maybe en'cion's arrival means edmonds is gone after this year; he will not be renewed, and encarnacion will take over in cf in 2007. at that position his bat would no longer be a liability; he'd be instantly transformed from a dead-weight corner outfielder, hardly better (if at all) than freely available backups, into a centerfielder who can hit 15-20 homers -- a pretty worthwhile commodity. he still wouldn't be an all-star nor a great bargain, but as a centerfielder he'd at least be valuable enough to earn his keep.

hey, it's a theory -- and a far more comforting one than "jocketty panicked." if it works out that way, then encar'cion's contract might not be so unforgivable in the end.

plus, now that i've got edmonds nudged toward the door, i can revert to my favorite parlor game and trade him this spring -- to boston for manny ramirez; to cleveland for coco crisp and francisco cabrera; back to anaheim for scott shields and casey kotchman; to the white sox for jose contreras . . .

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jed
if i know the cards, which i do, i can see this happening: we dont exercise our option. but knowing  ed wants to retire with the birds on his bat... we can renegitate his contract and take that 12 mill owed down to 8 mill over two seasons. knowing walt this seems plausible. thought...

by onephinepeace on Dec 27, 2005 5:06 AM EST reply actions  

What the Critics Are Saying
Hey, lboros, fellow Birds fans...From Baseball Analysts.  Crikey:

http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2005/12/pass_the_trash_1.php

When lumped all together, the Cards' off-season signings look so...sad.  Anyone here who may be of a slightly religious bent, pray mightily upon the health of Messrs. Rolen & JEdmonds.

by glennrwordman on Dec 27, 2005 8:50 AM EST reply actions  

Forget
sending Jed back to Anaheim... he was a "clubhouse cancer" there, remember?

by The Ol Goaler on Dec 27, 2005 9:01 AM EST reply actions  

Encarnacion attacks...
Patience everyone.  

I am reserving judgment on this move.  Last year I was the first one to throw a fit when we signed Eckstein and now I sorta kinda like him.  Wait till he sucks on the field to criticize.  A pitch in spring training has not even been thrown yet.

Plus, why does everyone think we need/can get a superstar at every position.  Look at the White Sox.  Name big names on that team?  Konerko just emerged last year but he has been around for awhile.  Crede?  Podsednik?  What is wrong with having 5-6 players that hit 14+ Hrs?  We need some complementary power and Bigbie and Encarnacion provide that.

by wcheuk on Dec 27, 2005 9:37 AM EST reply actions  

It's less about the bats than the arms
My biggest concern for '06 is that there was no measurable upgrade in the pitching staff.  That's the difference between the Cards and last year's Astros or White Sox.

The Cards just don't measure up.  I don't know about you, but I don't have a good feeling whenever anyone but Carpenter pitches in the postseason.  Suppan is servicable, but you need to score runs for him to win.  I've already said my peace about Mulder's meltdowns when the pressure is on.  Marquis?  Please.

Spivey and Encarnacion may be league average, but our starters needed upgrading to compete for a title, and that didn't happen.

by BozCardsFanSF on Dec 27, 2005 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

ANOTHER LINK - ABOUT BURNETT
http://www.rotoauthority.com/2005/12/aj_burnett_blue.html

ROTOAUTHORITY SAYS ABOUT BURNETT:

"Honestly, those numbers aren't a whole lot better than what a Jon Lieber/Greg Maddux type can give you, excepting the Ks"

by TOLAXOR on Dec 27, 2005 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

Sentimental
Am I the only one that would really hate to see Edmonds go?  I think he deserves to retire as a Card.

by seagoj on Dec 27, 2005 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

ya
i agree...i want to see edmonds retire a bird

by punchinjudy on Dec 27, 2005 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

JEd
I agree.  He is the best centerfeilder the Cards have had in my lifetime and quite possibly ever.

#6 all time OBP (Behind McGuire, Hornsby, Mize, Musial, Pujols & Cunningham)
#4 all time slugging (behind McGuire, Pujols & Mize)
#5 all time OPS (behind McGuire, Pujols, Mize & Hornsby)
#5 all time home runs (behind Musial, Boyer, Lankford, McGuire)
#7 all time adjusted OPS (behind McGuire, Hornsby, Mize, Pujols, Musial, O'Neill)

He twice hit 42 homeruns which is #6 behind McGuire(x2), Pujols (x2) & Mize.

That's pretty elite company.  With the exception of Cunningham, everyone on that list is in the HoF, likely will be in the HoF (Pujols, McGuire), or should be in the HoF (Boyer & O'Neill).

And lets not forget he is defensively one of the best centerfeilders around- even at age 35.  Its not a stretch to think that he is on par with the all time greats like Flood & Moore in the feild.    

by Zubin on Dec 27, 2005 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

i think it is...
McGWIRE with a W
bring home a championship to STL

by cards4ever on Dec 27, 2005 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

McGwire
Thanks, maybe I'll send out my next post to ou or LB for proofing...

by Zubin on Dec 27, 2005 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Good post
I like Jimmy too, those are all offensive stats what about the D he plays..some say he show boats and doggs it, but i still think he is under-rated at what he has doen in CF..those catches he has made in Cincy...Espn did a mini highlight of some of his best catches once..wow

by punchinjudy on Dec 30, 2005 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree
completely with you BozCardsFanSF.  It seems Jocketty's theory on that one is upgrade the bullpen to shorten the starter's workload.  However were those moves even upgrades?  

Marquis is at the age where pitchers turn the corner.  Still, there is no dominant pitcher after Carpenter to trust.  

The thing is how do we upgrade pitching without shelling out Burnett money?  I guess this needs to be upgraded in a more long term manner- Reyes and Wainwright.  The lack of arms brought up through the minor leagues is astounding.

I am excited about Mark McCormick though.  Anyone know his timetable to the majors?  He looked smooth last year in the CWS.

by wcheuk on Dec 27, 2005 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

anthony reyes could be
the 2d power arm the rotation needs for the playoffs, but he's a rookie with health issues . . . .

as for upgrading the pitching without paying burnett money, only one way to do it: develop the arms yourself. no team is going to trade away a playoff-ace-type pitcher who is making below-market money. burnett is where the market is, and the cards' theory that they can get the market to come down to their level somehow isn't working.

they have committed $30m to two mediocrities (encar'cion and looper) who don't appreciably improve their chances of winning anything; but they cheaped out on the one free-agent who could've added an asset to the team, burnett.

by lboros on Dec 27, 2005 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Question for ya El Birdos?
I was watchin fox sports midwest last night and Gordon was talking about a possible cardinals trade that might be in the works for Tejada.  Have you heard anything about this?...He was saying that since Mulder probably will be unsignable, the Cardinals have been interested in trading him possibly for Tejada since the Cubbies are offering Prior.

by Los Cardinales on Dec 27, 2005 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

to answer
that rumor is false.
http://www.playahard9.blogspot.com/

by erik on Dec 27, 2005 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Question for ya El Birdos?
I was watchin fox sports midwest last night and Gordon was talking about a possible cardinals trade that might be in the works for Tejada.  Have you heard anything about this?...He was saying that since Mulder probably will be unsignable, the Cardinals have been interested in trading him possibly for Tejada since the Cubbies are offering Prior.

by Los Cardinales on Dec 27, 2005 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

that has been making the rounds
on the internet, but i dont buy it. the supposed trade is mulder and eckstein for tejada and erik bedard. it would be a great deal for the cardinals but i don't see what's in it for the orioles.

the orioles make some dumb moves, but i don't see them making this one

by lboros on Dec 27, 2005 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

The one thing I do believe
is that it makes more sense to trade Mulder than it does Marquis.  Mulder has the huge name and a much higher value, while Marquis still has a good amount of untapped potential that teams wouldn't necessarily value when he was offered for a trade.  Mulder is the only semi-expendable pitcher that has a chance of getting a star player in return.

I'd take that trade even without Bedard, ride out the season with Reyes and Ponson in the rotation,and hope for the best from the back end guys.  

by Valatan on Dec 27, 2005 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm with ya valatan
but i don't think the front office agrees w us. i doubt he's going anywhere; on the contrary, i fear they are going to sign him to an extension before/during spring training

by lboros on Dec 27, 2005 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

no way
i do that trade...As much as everyone bashes mulder I still would like a lefty..if you don't think he'll resign trade him midseason...if you trade mulder you have questions in the rotation..carp,suppan?marquis...reyes/ponson?  no way i do that deal, and don't think it will get done..Prior is better than mulder, and heard they could get zito too

by punchinjudy on Dec 27, 2005 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

tejada to cubs?
from mlbtraderumors.com
Cubs Tejada Trade On The Table
An emailer reports that the Cubs are awaiting word from the Orioles on this offer:

Cubs get:

Miguel Tejada, Erik Bedard

Orioles get:

Mark Prior, Rich Hill, Corey Patterson

This proposal is on the table.  The report comes from Bruce Levine on ESPN Radio 1000.  Levine will be back on at 11am central time with an update, so I'll keep you posted.

by punchinjudy on Dec 27, 2005 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

That rumor
has been floating around for awhile.  Personally, I don't think the Orioles are trading Tejada.  Maybe for Prior, but they need a major league ready SS in any deal.  

Especially when he is locked up and the pitchers they will be getting are free agents at the end of the year who probably won't stay in Baltimore.  

by wcheuk on Dec 27, 2005 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

it was a rumor
now it appears as though an acual deal is on the table

by punchinjudy on Dec 27, 2005 2:20 PM EST reply actions  

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