ponsonality
ok, sidney ponson . . . gettin' used to the idea. baseball think factory's item on the signing is headlined "cardinals sign sir lush-a-lot" . . . szymborski adds, "Personally, I think Ponson's arm is shot, but I guess it's worth a flyer since the Cardinals won't have to pay much for him."
having looked at some recent history, i'm inclined to agree. i did a quick look at similar reclamation projects the cards have taken on in recent years -- surprisingly high number on'm. and the results have been surprisingly good.
i limited this brief survey to guys whose performance (cumulative) for the two previous seasons fell at or below replacement level. in one case, circumstance (the death of darryl kile) forced them to activate an idled has-been hurler (andy benes); another guy (sterling hitchcock) was a stretch-run acquisition made out of desperation. here are the last-chance pickups, and their stats from the two years prior to their appearance in the cards' rotation:
| age | ip | w-l | era | whip | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| kile 98-99 | 31 | 421 | 21-30 | 5.84 | 1.63 |
| benes 01-02 | 34 | 273 | 19-16 | 5.86 | 1.56 |
| stephenson 02-03 | 31 | 45 | 2-5 | 5.40 | 1.62 |
| j hamilton 02-03 | 32 | 264 | 10-20 | 5.62 | 1.60 |
| hitchcock 02-03 | 32 | 89 | 2-5 | 5.46 | 1.65 |
| ponson 04-05 | 29 | 346 | 18-26 | 5.64 | 1.62 |
and here's how those guys fared, cumulatively, for the cards in the year of acquisition:
| ip | w-l | era | whip |
|---|---|---|---|
| 541 | 37-27 | 3.93 | 1.26 |
the lion's share of the credit for this fine record accrues to darryl kile, who went 20-9 in 232 innings the year st louis acquired him. he's a bit of a special case, insofar as he was recovering not from injury or age but rather from coors field; other pitchers, once released from that penitentiary, have achieved similar improvements (andy ashby, john thomson, mike hampton to name a few). but andy benes also pitched very well, as did sterling hitchcock -- 5-1, 3.79 era in 38 innings for a team that desperately needed reliable starts. indeed, the only outright failure was joey hamilton, who was cut during spring training and never pitched an inning for the cards. the worst performance was turned in by garrett stephenson, who went 7-13 with a 4.59 era and a 1.30 whip. if st louis got that same output from ponson as a #5, they'd have to be thrilled -- and with the 2006 bullpen likely to be better than the '03 disaster, those same era / whip numbers might translate into a 9-11 or 10-10 record. of course, the 03 team could hit better than the 06 one will, so maybe it's a wash. . .
bottom line is that the benchmarks provided by recent history are encouraging. there is reason to believe that ponson will prove to be a bargain, contributing a bunch of league-averagish innings at the very least. for whatever it's worth, szymborski's ZIPS projects him to an 11-12 record, 4.57 era, 1.38 whip.
Update [2005-12-21 14:12:21 by lboros]: the contract calls for a $1m base and $1.5m in incentives based mainly on starts/innings. so if he meets the ZIPS projection above, he'd be paid $2.5m . . . makes the "bargain" threshold a tad more difficult to meet.
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now that we have ponson...
by cards4ever on Dec 21, 2005 2:28 PM EST reply actions
I'm thinking
Dear lord,
I know
by rockin redbird on Dec 21, 2005 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
i dont think we need to trade...
barry bonds
gary sheffield
carlos lee (i dont think the brew crew has the money for him)
aubrey huff
torii hunter
juan pierre (cubs probly get an extension done w/ him)
cliff floyd
mike cameron
jose guillen
trot nixon
shannon stewart
raul ibanez
randy winn
jermaine dye
dave dellucci
SP:
barry zito
mark mulder
jason schmidt
john smoltz
jon garland
mike mussina
kerry wood
andy pettitte
erik bedard
kelvim escobar
jason marquis
brad radke
john thomson
ted lilly
randy wolf
tim wakefield
by cards4ever on Dec 21, 2005 2:39 PM EST reply actions
typos
i put season and i meant offseason
by cards4ever on Dec 21, 2005 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
by cards4ever on Dec 22, 2005 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
willie harris
by cards4ever on Dec 21, 2005 2:48 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, but..
by Just Rope Ball on Dec 21, 2005 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
big willie
by cards4ever on Dec 21, 2005 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Eh
by bellyscratcher on Dec 21, 2005 2:54 PM EST reply actions
Does
by rockin redbird on Dec 21, 2005 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a perspective....
by I Watch the Cards at Wrigley on Dec 21, 2005 2:56 PM EST reply actions
If you're watching at Wrigley
And the Cards' way...
Steve Kline
Julian Tavarez
Mike DiFelice
Garrett Stephenson
Brett Tomko
Ron Gant
Ray King
And let's not forget the "baggage" Edmonds arrived with in 2000.
The Cards have some decent leaders recently, but they've also taken in and harbored their share of losers. Ponson may be one of the largest malcontents of the lot (pun absolutely intended) but I can't agree with you that there is a "Cards way" that excludes guys like him.
by flynn on Dec 21, 2005 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Sure
And of course, there is always a certain power hitter who was acquired with tell-tale signs of performance enhancing drug use.
Ponson isn't perfect, but give the guy the benefit of the doubt. If he screws up, they should handle him with zero tolerance. If that doesn't happen, then I'll be upset.
Where
by flynn on Dec 21, 2005 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Ankiel
Character
"Why do I have to be an example for your kid? You be an example for your own kid." - Bob Gibson
by I Watch the Cards at Wrigley on Dec 21, 2005 4:14 PM EST reply actions
Here Here...
worth the risk
by socalcardsfan on Dec 21, 2005 5:08 PM EST reply actions
Please donate to the
Role Models
Sorry, I disagree. If you are professional athelete, or a public figure in any form, part of the job is to be a good role model.
Anyway, SP seems like a decent gamble at $1M. I just hope he can stay sober.
agree
by cards4ever on Dec 21, 2005 10:07 PM EST up reply actions



















