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nl cy to be announced today. cy trivia: we all know that bob gibson is the only cardinal pitcher to win a cy young award. however, 6 other redbird hurlers have received at least 1 first-place vote on a cy young ballot. name the pitchers and the corresponding years.

i'll post the answers this afternoon after they hand out the award.

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i'm taking a break from roster permutatin' today; paying work and such beckons. but here's good reading elsewhere:

dan fox has an interesting article up at hardball times today inspired by la russa and his index cards. "When LaRussa looks at his index cards, how does he know whether the 6-for-26 performance of Aramis Ramirez against Chris Carpenter over the past three seasons is simply Carpenter getting a little lucky against a good hitter or whether Ramirez really has trouble picking up Carpenter's sinker?" the answer: la russa probably doesn't know. i'll be referring back to this one next time tony walks the winning run into scoring position in order to "play the matchups" . . . .

in the other feature at hardball times today, studes refers to brian giles as "a high risk/high reward kind of guy, the J.D. Drew of this year's free agent season." he also thinks somebody might offer as much as $15 mill a year for three years; can't see that. . . . at baseball analysts, rich and bryan end their free-agent forecasting chat with this: "Have a good life, Larry Walker. Welcome, Brian Giles. The type of guy LaRussa and the fans in St. Louis will love."

surely if the yankees can contemplate raffurcal as a centerfielder, the cards might envision him as a left-fielder in the brock/lonnie smith mold, no? neither one's gonna happen (ie, neither yanks cf nor stl lf), just sayin' . . . . . diaspora is also musing about furcal, also fonzie soriano and even nomah. . . . . .

cardnilly hands out final report cards to the starting pitchers. he's got jason marquis down as the franchise's answer to sonny corleone (and i guess that casts phil cuzzi as carlo rizzi). mark mulder grades out as jamie lee curtis in halloween: smart, pretty, and well-behaved but can't get a date and seems to have knives pointed at him . . .

fungoes catalogs larry walker's aches and pains and offers a couple of int'sting notes about the new retiree: 1) he ended his career with an OBP of .400 on the nose, good for 58th place on the all-time list; and 2) his 3d most similar player as listed at baseball ref'nce is joey dimaggio. which means the 05 cards had two dimaggio approximations in the lineup (the D is pujols' #1 most similar) . . . . . . for another catalog of miseries, check out baseball prospectus' chicago cub postmortem. and to just feel plain miserable, check out the pictures (spread over the last two or three days' posts) of busch stadium's wounds at I Bleed Cardinal Red.

finally: happy birthday dear belly.

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"That platinum blonde in the lobby of the Hyatt Grand Champions Resort was none other than free-agent second baseman Bret Boone, whose new hair color is emblematic of his desire to open another chapter in his career.
Boone, 36, met with the general managers of the Cardinals and Royals, two teams that need second basemen. The Cardinals, progressing slowly in their negotiations with free agent Mark Grudzielanek, also have talked to the Rangers about a possible deal for second baseman Alfonso Soriano."

NOOOOOOOOOO...........................

by TOLAXOR on Nov 10, 2005 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

worth a guess..
I know the first three are right, but the second three are probably not...

tewksberry '92
Tudor '85
Morris '01
Andujar '82
Sutter '82
Kile '01

by Valatan on Nov 10, 2005 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

worthy guesses
but only 1 is right --- sutter '82 got 2 first-place votes and finished 3rd overall, behind montreal's steve rogers and philadelphia's steve carlton, who won his 4th (ouch) and last cy that year

as for the others --- andujar '82 got a lone 5th-place vote (1 point); tudor '85 got shut out by unanimous winner dwight gooden but still received 65 points and finished 2d (andujar finished 4th the same year with 6 points); tewksie finished 3d in 1992 with 22 points behind glavine and the winner, then-cub maddux (lee smith got 3 points in 1992 and finished 4th); and matty mo finished 3d in 2001 behind the two arizona horses, schilling and johnson, who split the 1st place votes between them (johnson won the award). kile got 0 votes in 2001.

by lboros on Nov 10, 2005 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

LB....
I have three guesses....

Lee Smith in either 91 or 92?  

Did Tudor manage to get a first place vote away from Doc?  I don't think so, but given how crazy some of the voters are, did that happen?  

by Brock20 on Nov 10, 2005 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Right Guy...
Wrong year, Kile was 00.  

by Brock20 on Nov 10, 2005 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

More Cy Trivia...
After the Redbirds' one and only Cy, captured by Gibson in '68, five different pitchers who'd been traded by the Cardinals would go on to win the award over the next 15 seasons....

Those five, after leaving St. Louis,  had a cumulative record of 557-412 (.575) with 106 saves. (The obvious one accounted for 252 of those wins, but the other four still went 305-230.)

The players for whom they were traded (five pitchers and three outfielders---although other Cardinals in addition to the future Cys were also given up in the deals) had a cumulative post-trade 268-272 record (.496) with 56 saves, with the three hitters accumulating 3204 at-bats (the equivalent of six seasons of 534 at-bats) between them, with one lone season among them of .750+ OPS in full-time play.

by salvomania on Nov 10, 2005 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

ouch
let's see: carlton, john denny . . . . . jerry reuss? he never won one, did he? maybe mike torrez? surely not dave giusti? wait a minute: pretty sure pete vukovich got a cheapie in the a.l., that's three. and mike caldwell might've won one too (and i think he was briefly cardinal property)

by lboros on Nov 10, 2005 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Cy's gone
Vukovich and Fingers are two of them.

by DizzyDean17 on Nov 10, 2005 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

oops
"...After the Redbirds' one and only Cy.."

I forgot that Gibson had also won it in '70 when I wrote that,,,

...and now, after today, the Cardinals have another one.

by salvomania on Nov 10, 2005 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, hmm.
At first I thought you meant that six pitchers had done it since Gibby won in 1970.

Based on my review of my lifetime, I find that is not the case at all.

At the risk of spoiling anything, I'll take the liberty of putting out the years as a hint.  I can't say I would've guessed any of these on my own - though the 1991 winner came to mind, I just wasn't sure what year he would've gotten first-place votes.

2000
1991
1975
1960
1960

by STLEdge on Nov 10, 2005 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

Oh, and speaking
of Pack Robert Gibson - we should wish him a belated 70th birthday as of yesterday.  Here's a gem from Dusty Baker:

"Don't dig in against Bob Gibson, he'll knock you down. Don't stare at him. He doesn't like it. If you happen to hit a home run, don't run too slow, don't run too fast. If you happen to want to celebrate, get in the tunnel first. And if he hits you, don't charge the mound, because he's a Gold Glove boxer."

by STLEdge on Nov 10, 2005 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Gibby looks
like he can still sling it today, and has that same "F-you" attitude. He's my all-time favorite Cardinal.

Oh, btw...I promise not to put any more pics of the Mecca on my blog. Don't want to be responsible for anyone's bad mood. ;-)

by cardsrul on Nov 10, 2005 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

Older pitchers
One of the interesting scenes I liked from the playoffs was one of the Astros games - Nolan Ryan threw out the first pitch.

Most guys just lob it up there or try to act like a pitcher and throw hard but way off the mark.

Ryan was on the flat ground in front of the mound.  He just looked in at the catcher and casually fired it.  You didn't even need the center field camera to see it was a strike.  

by sdrone on Nov 10, 2005 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

Gibson's
Not the only one any more.

by bellyscratcher on Nov 10, 2005 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

This just in: Carp wins it
Dontrell a close second, Roger third

by salvomania on Nov 10, 2005 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

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